Talk:Newbie
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The word 'alternative' should be used were 'alternate' was written. It's ironic that a newb mistake like this would have been made on this page. Robin.Anderson (talk) 19:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC) pie
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[edit] Origins
The first mention of 'newbie' on Usenet was 1988, and it was used in the same manner as currently: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac/msg/68659de9d2d8e42d?hl=en 76.105.254.12 (talk) 14:32, 18 July 2008 (UTC) The term noob can also mean a person who is cheap and uses high quality objects.This word also refers to crappy players of video games like sam best —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.17.15 (talk) 23:34, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Still a dicdif.
This article still really isn't anything beyond a dictionary definition of the term. Given how there doesn't seem to be any move to go beyond that (and, in my opinion, no potential to go beyond that using good sources), and given how the previous AFD seems to have gotten side-tracked into unrelated concerns that it was 'slang' or not, I think it should probably be re-nominated for deletion soon. Yes, it was only a month ago, but that AFD really addressed the wrong issue; opinions on it that touched on the dicdif issue -- noted that keeping it was contingent on it being expanded beyond a mere definition of the term. When you look at it and how little progress has been made since then, I think it's obvious that that isn't happening, and probably can't happen in a sourced fashion. (Other options exist. Technically, really, an pie AFD result isn't needed to soft-redirect to Wictionary, if there's no objections here; or it could be redirected and folded into to another subject, one capable of supporting an entire article.) --Aquillion (talk) 12:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
- Aren't there any comments on this? The AFD closure noted that this article needs serious work to bring it out from being a dicdif; where's the people who wanted to keep it? If nobody says anything in the next week or so, I'll assume there's no opposition and soft-redirect to Wiktionary... --Aquillion (talk) 18:41, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Newb vs. n00b
I agree with the people here who say that "newbie" and "n00b" have different meanings. I have been using the Internet for many years and talked to many people on different forums and I am absolutely sure that the two terms have different meanings. A newbie is a newcomer, yes. But "n00b" and its variations have nothing to do with "newbie". A n00b is someone who is annoying, stupid, ridiculous, spammy, etc. A n00b can be a newbie and vice versa but they by no means are the same thing. Something has to be done about this page. Strawberry~ (talk) 01:12, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't the distinction between Newbie and Noobie be made. Newbie being the new player needing to be helped at the game. Noobie being a griefer or troll generally ruining the experience for others. Further explanation for Nub and Nublet need to be added with references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.127.11.24 (talk) 22:12, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
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- A Newbie, is a person who is a new player. Often unskilled or unaware of how things work and often ask for help. A n00b, was derived primarily from First Person Shooting games, this is a person who lies, is deceitful, a troll, a scammer, a spammer or a cheater who intends to ruin the experience for another person, a n00b also typically uses a form of 1337 speak in order to aggrivate other people. KingKKRON (talk) 12:27, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
The term n00b was first used amongst gamers, particularly in the FPS genre. It was used to describe a player who continiously swore, lie and would spam to aggrovate other players. In more modern gaming usage, it is used in MMORPG's mistakenly for newb, a new player. There is a large difference between the terminology of the two words, as explained above a new player does not spam, cheat or troll in order to gain attention from other players, however a n00b will. The original terminology of the word n00b has lost it's meaning for many people, where they have grown into a era of gaming where new players are branded as being spammers, trolls, cheaters and deceitful people, however are only branded as such because the new era of gamers never learned the original terminolgy therefore use it in the manner which they believe is correct. KingKKRON (talk) 12:27, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
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- This is the sort of information that tends to be largely undocumented, as it is very sub-culture specific. Labored research may go so far as to find an obscure forum thread from 2003 or so that explores the difference. Among the gamer subculture, it is largely accepted that 'newb' or 'newbie' refers to a player bungling due to inexperience, and 'n00b' separately refers to virtually anyone that an experienced player finds obnoxious-- especially another player that behaves as though they are inexperienced, despite evidence to the contrary. Motivation for behaving in such a manner can include a desire to irritate others (typically referred to as 'trolling') or simply being a thoughtless idiot, with a sheer inability to learn from the mistakes of others or oneself. VanGarrett (talk) 05:22, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
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- The Urban Dictionary would perhaps be the reference on this. The first article on 'n00b' clearly makes a distinction from 'newbie'. I'm going to make a note that you'll mostly find people with a 'noobish' attitude calling other people 'noob' even though they're seen as new to something.Faro0485 (talk) 06:09, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
So a wikipedia, a site that is open to contribution from anyone, doesn't accept information from a site that is open to contribution from anyone? How does that make sense? It's pretty simple, newbies are new to a game, noobs however are not new, they're simply unwilling to be the type of player you'd want to play with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.151.6.222 (talk) 21:01, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
- I second this, this page is uninforming a lot of people and it needs to be changed. 66.41.83.205 (talk) 14:04, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
alright. I agree with the distinction and I'll try to change the page to not be misleading. but it is the case that wikipedia doesn't accept information from sites open to contribution by anyone. We have to rely on reliable sources for our articles specifically because our editors are anonymous. Protonk (talk) 02:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I think a newbie is just some one new to the game, and a noob is anyone (new or not) who is either annoying or uses tactics considered to be too easy for them Tyler John (talk) 19:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm going to point out that the general consensus of people who have commented on the discussion of the difference in meanings have pretty much all agreed that there is a difference between "newb"/"newbie" and "noob"/"n00b". I think by that fact alone we should make the distinction. I don't think a new article is in order, as "n00b" is derived from "newb". Ryoga-2003 (talk) 05:14, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
i agree we need to let people know the diffrence between a newb and a n00b there is a huge diffrence and i agree with every thing said above! (Supersmashbros123456 (talk) 15:12, 26 March 2009 (UTC))
Noob comes from newbie.., it just slang or different wording of the word. It means the same thing. Like people will say "noob" to mean idiot, just like saying newbie which means the samething. Inotherwords, in their mind saying "noob" is cool/new lingo. If i am wrong, then why do so many use it like that? I don't know why there is such discussion on this or why their even needs to be an article on it. Kingkkron, i agree with half your post. ~~majinsnake~~ 7 may 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Majinsnake (talk • contribs) 23:18, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Here. http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20060823. Read it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NuparuMahnika (talk • contribs) 14:17, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Soft-redirecting to Wictionary.
I mentioned this above, but since it's been a while and nobody replied: The AFD closure for this article, and most of the opinions there, were contingent on it expanding beyond a dictionary-definition. It hasn't, and I still don't think anyone has really argued that that's possible (even the part discussed in the section above this would still just be a dictionary definition.) So... We could just relist it on AFD, but if there's really nobody that objects, that isn't even necessary. Does anyone object to this simply being soft-redirected to Wiktionary? We don't need to go through AFD for that. Of course, anyone could revert it, but I can't see why anyone would want to -- Wiktionary is the proper place for this, and covers all the important points from here much more concisely. --Aquillion (talk) 09:32, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- I would think there was enough cultural references to the word to expand beyond a dictionary definition. Like 'I feel like pwning newbs' and stuff? Richard001 (talk) 08:00, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
[edit] chobo
why does this redirect here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.151.6.222 (talk) 20:59, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Chobo no longer redirects here. Probably an inexperienced editor thought that the two words have identical meanings. In the past, Novice has been incorrectly redirected here as well. Thanks for pointing out the redirect. — ℜob C. alias ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ 13:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Chobo still redirects here im afraid!Misortie (talk) 15:36, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Stoob?
I have never until this day heard that term, even after playing Guild Wars (an MMORPG) excessively for 2 years and frequenting the PvXwiki, where trolling is common. Urban Dictionary has only a couple definitions that even remotely resemble the one here (although they prefer "stupid noob" to "high-level players that seem, or act like they lack experience".
Also, it'd be great if we had the (actual) history behind the term "noob" (and its variations), if that's possible. 24.109.90.46 (talk) 02:45, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
- I removed it. I request that editors research and source the claim before replacing it. Protonk (talk) 04:33, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
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- ... I just feel I need to post the reason I created that subsection "Stoob". I was reading a book about MMORPG terms, of which I've forgotten the name of, and there was this entry "Stoob", with about that definition I inserted into the article. But, unfortunetly, I've lost the book, and forgot the title, it being just some book I read for fun belonging to a friend. *sigh* Oh, well...
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- I agree with the removal of it though. Might as well delete it, having no current cite.
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- But not like it doesn't have much use: a Yahoo! search (one of the most reliable of search-for-hits engines) gives about 188000 hits. Not a bad number, though many of the hits are just people jokingly inserting such as their name.
Stoob--AodhanTheCelticJew (talk) 16:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- In case you are suggesting anything, I was well aware of that. Now if, you'll just search it on a search engine and find out how many are actually referring to the town?
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[edit] it's noob
the word may technically be newbie, but the word noob is actually being added to the dictionary! so the article should be called Noob. here is a source to prove it:
http://www.geeksugar.com/3148046
and another:
http://www.destructoid.com/noob-to-become-the-millionth-word-in-the-english-language--131688.phtml
Noob and Newbie have different meanings.
Newbie is a ordinairy newbie. Noob is a term used for people who are experienced, acting like a newbie, often with an annoying attitute. That has been the meaning since online gaming started in 1995 (or so)... —Preceding unsigned comment added by VixensWay (talk • contribs) 22:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Millionth word reached!
And they were dead on, too. The 1,000,000th word was found on June 10th, 2009. At the time of this post being written, that was only 3 days ago! Someone better update the article! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.252.40.17 (talk) 18:39, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
[edit] protection
It should be removed, there's no reason for this page to be protected. It's highly unlikely that this page will be vandalized, and I'm sure people can watchlist it.
Let's just un-protect it, and if that goes poorly, add it again later. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.90.144.239 (talk) 03:38, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
